Listen now | OpenAI’s Andrew Ambrosino on why software is getting cheaper to build, why taste matters more than ever, and what’s next for the Codex desktop app

OpenAI paper shows nearly all employees shifted from chatbots to agents, with non-dev usage growing 137x. But every metric comes from OpenAI itself.

OpenAI says Codex generates 99.8% of internal output tokens. Non-developer adoption surged 189x since August 2025, with 5 million weekly users externally.

Codex, it's not just for developers, really

Codex, it's not just for developers, really