A car salesman says some of the vehicles he has the hardest time selling are also the same ones he believes are among the smartest buys.

Ben (@benshives), who shares car sales advice online, explained why he thinks used Hondas and Toyotas can be a tougher sell than some drivers may expect. He went over “the hardest cars to sell" but also claims they’re the best cars to buy.

“Most people think Honda and Toyota products are the easiest thing to sell, and they’re not,” Ben says.

Despite that, Ben says Hondas and Toyotas in the low- to mid-teen age range can be the “best bang for your buck.”

He used two used Honda Civics as examples, starting with a 2012 model with 115,000 miles that he says has Honda Factory Performance wheels and is “extremely clean on the inside.”