Barack Obama is teaching Marc Maron how to say goodbye.
The former president joined the comedian on the final episode of Maron's long-running "WTF" podcast, released on Monday, Oct. 13. During the conversation, Obama gave Maron advice on his next steps, reflecting on his own experience of departing the presidency in 2017.
"You've still got a couple of chapters left," Obama told Maron. "Somebody gave me advice right before I was leaving office, and it was, 'Don't rush into what the next thing is. Take a beat.' Take some satisfaction looking backwards and saying, 'You know what? I didn't get everything done that I wanted, it wasn't always exactly how I planned it, but there's a body of work there that I'm proud of.'"
Obama encouraged Maron to "pat yourself on the back for a second" before being "a little braindead for a while," noting that he caught up on a stack of books after leaving office. "I had a big deficit with my wife that I had to kind of work my way out of," Obama quipped, explaining that he and former first lady Michelle Obama "went on a lot of trips and hung out and had nice dinners and slept in."
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