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It’s too early to start really handicapping the 2028 presidential race, but some would-be candidates are already making serious moves.

I talk periodically to CNN’s Edward-Isaac Dovere about how the race is changing among Democrats and what to expect. Our latest chat, transcribed and edited for style and flow, is below.

WOLF: We last spoke at the end of last year. What’s changed?

DOVERE: The thing that maybe has changed the atmosphere of preliminary thinking the most is that Kamala Harris has made a couple of comments that suggest that she is more serious about running again than most people thought she would be.