While it may feel as if successful people are leaps and bounds ahead of the rest of us, people who have made major career or business accomplishments have also been in the trenches.

In fact, management guru Simon Sinek said all successful people have hit rock bottom before reaching their pinnacle.

“I have never met a successful person in my life who learned anything when things went well,” Sinek told Chris Williamson on his podcast, Modern Wisdom. “They learned every lesson they needed to learn that helped them achieve when things went horribly wrong.”

Sinek is most recognized for his 2009 TED Talk about the concept of “why,” and his “Golden Circle” theory, which encourages leaders and organizations to define their core purpose or belief as the basis for inspiring employees and customers. His TED Talk was one of the most-watched of all time with more than 60 million views on the TED website alone. Today, Sinek has amassed more than 8.7 million followers on LinkedIn.

“The most successful people in the world—every single one of them—hit zero or came damn close to it, almost every single time,” he continued. Failure is “the gift.”