Stephen and Katie Miller may currently be playing the long game, argued Salon senior politics writer Amanda Marcotte in a new commentary piece titled “Katie Miller Isn’t Fooling Anyone.”

Marcotte contrasted the “comically over-the-top” tantrum-throwing White House deputy chief of staff Stephen, notorious as the architect of President Donald Trump’s anti-immigration agenda, with his wife Katie, a former White House official-turned-host of a “dreary” podcast.

Katie Miller, Marcotte wrote, belongs to the “dull MAGA wives” set, delivering bland interviews on her “Katie Miller Podcast” which appears to have “the underlying message” that “fascists can’t be so bad.”

It contrasts strikingly with her husband’s public persona, said Marcotte. “He could never be on her show. His screeching bigotry would feel out of place in her pastel-colored dreamland, where nothing interesting ever happens.”

The goal of the podcast, though, could be to normalize Stephen Miller as a potential presidential candidate, the writer warned.